Ep. 149 Transcript

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Mindy Peterson: [00:00:00] I’m Mindy Peterson and this is Enhance Life with Music, a holistic look at the power of music in our everyday lives. Joining me today from Sydney, Australia is Irish rock star Ciaran Gribbin. Ciaran is a Grammy nominated songwriter and performer who has worked with Madonna, U2, Paul McCartney and Snow Patrol. He co-wrote Madonna’s worldwide hit single Celebration. He has worked on multiple movie soundtracks, including writing all the songs for the U2 supported feature film Killing Bono, and he has toured the world as the singer of the legendary Australian band INXS. We could have an entire episode just talking about any of those experiences and accomplishments, but today we are talking about Ciaran’s role as founder of Rock and Roll Team Building, a business delivering interactive music programs for corporate team building and corporate wellness. Welcome to enhance life with music, Ciaran.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:01:00] Oh, thank you for having me, Mindy.

Mindy Peterson: [00:01:02] It’s such a pleasure. The words happiness, fun and joy are not typically associated with corporate events, but your website describes Rock and Roll Team Building as bringing all of those elements to corporate events, both live and virtual. Tell us more about Rock and Roll Team Building, what it is and what you do.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:01:26] Well, thank you. Rock and Roll Team Building was started seven years ago in Australia. It was me coming off literally. I just finished touring with an excess and I was walking into an unknown and I was asked to speak at a corporate event. And the entertainer in me, basically at these corporate events, I could see it was dry content all day long and I just I said, I’ll do it. I’ll speak at this event as long as I can play music. And what I.

Mindy Peterson: [00:01:53] Did were you asked to speak about what did they bring you in to speak about?

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:01:57] They wanted me to speak about my experience as a musician. My first corporate event as a speaker was me telling my story growing up in Belfast. Music all my life, gigging in Belfast from 15 years of age, and then the whole story, Grammy nominations, all that malarkey and songwriting and production and and then getting the job with an excess, which was unbelievable. So it took me to Australia from the back streets of the pubs of Belfast. And so that story I would tell in 45 minutes. But I said, I’m only doing it if I can bring the guitar and do music. So I stood in front of the room and I realised pretty soon that corporate events are there’s a lot of dry, high end content that people are going well. And the entertainer, someone who’s been standing on stage for 15 years watching audiences, I was instinctively going, I need to get people singing and having a laugh. And so that’s it, really. Imagine a drunken Irish wedding at a corporate event.

Mindy Peterson: [00:03:04] Sounds like a welcome diversion from what most current events are.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:03:09] Yeah, well, look, I think there’s.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:03:12] I don’t need to tell you about the power of music and how it can change a room. And then. Or I’ve been lucky as well. I’m a singer, I’m a guitar player, but I surround myself by very, very talented musicians, people who have done the hard yards and our world class musicians. And so we’re walking and I’m walking into these rooms with. Friends who are world class musicians. And our objective in the 90 minute workshop with rock and roll team. It doesn’t matter if the six in the room or 600, the room is non-competitive. It’s all about fun. It’s about performance. With music, you’re part of the band. We’re pulling volunteers out. They’re getting dressed up as rock stars. We’re getting everyone in the room singing and just talking about the breath and the hum and the power of humming and then singing. The power of singing, what it can do for the spirit, what it does for the literally your your body. So vibrate the body with your own voice, resignation, frequency, energy, all the good stuff. And that’s that’s what we do with really good musicians around me and a great team. We’ve been in business seven years.

Mindy Peterson: [00:04:26] The events that you put on or that you participate in, they’re pretty much all custom built around the theme or the goals that the company has for the event. Is that right?

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:04:39] Yeah, We’re very flexible on what we can offer. If you want a house band with that’s playing people on and off at your conference that’s got 3000 people and we can do that and incorporate everyone in that room to sing in harmony, play them into the room. You know, it takes about 15 minutes for 4 to 2 and a half thousand, 3000 people to walk into one of those big convention rooms. So why not have a live band on stage playing classic songs and getting the Doobie Brothers at 9:00 am in the morning?

Mindy Peterson: [00:05:07] You know what I mean? That really sets the stage, pun intended, for the whatever is to come.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:05:13] Yeah, no, that’s that’s the big events. But there’s nothing we do. Very small groups of people where we create, we listen to them what they want. And so a lot of people just want to go and have a hang and just and it’s laid back. If it’s in small groups and we create the event, we help them design come up with a definite theme of music and of performance and sing and where they they choose what they want from us. They don’t have to participate in any of the dress up. We can just come in and someone in the room, the groom might be musician or wants to play drums or and you know, as the events events unfold, these sort of retreats unfold, you’d be surprised by the end of the day how many people who said they would never sing and I can’t sing or I can’t play our on stage writing a song, singing, singing that song, and everybody’s cheering at the tops of their voices, you know?

Mindy Peterson: [00:06:09] So you get pulled into conferences, incentive programs, employee celebrations, team building events. And as you mentioned, you really get the audience involved. Tell us about some of the different segments that you offer and that are often a part of these programs that you put together. You mentioned some song writing and concerts. Tell us a little bit more about some of those different segments, including the the rock and roll costumes that people are encouraged to wear.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:06:45] Yeah, Generally the flow, it starts light or people are coming into the room. We’re playing music as they’re entering the room, they can see there’s a set up of some kind that might just be me, an acoustic guitar, it might be a full production of a live band depending on the crowd numbers, but I’ll build it out. I might have a side guy behind the Save Me a piano player and someone on a fiddle or whatever, just so I can get players to take solos. But what we do is about interactivity, so there’s no competitiveness in what we do. You might get sales guys who are very competitive or girls jumping up on stage trying to outdo each other as they’re singing, But basically we’re pulling out volunteers, not to embarrass them. They might go back and get dressed up, but they go back with our musicians and our musicians, spend time with them and encourage them, go through the song with them and when they’re ready. And in a short space of time they’re dressed and they’re ready with their songs and they’ve rehearsed it on their on stage with us. While that’s all going on, one of the key things that we like to do to start off is trying to talk with people about the breath and the hum and singing. And within a ten minute period we generally and this can be extended out to wherever the client wants. Where we get a choir going and we might take a classic song and get to the bit where everybody can sing and we get it in three part harmony and we will pull Then people from that audience when they as a band might walk back on stage again as everyone’s choir singing, We will pull people from the audience then to improvise on stage with us. So it gets to that stage where, you know, as a musician, as, you know, the improv improvisation, one is the toughest one or the lot where you’re you’re maybe standing around others who are great musicians and you have to stand out and take a solo show. Show them what you got.

Mindy Peterson: [00:08:35] Yeah. I love on your website. When you say when you were talking about that choir formation where you say we administer an injection of dopamine and oxytocin through the formation of a choir to allow people to live the experience of joy from singing, we uncover inner rockstar talents through audience performances. So you have sort of this choir segment, and then you also have a song contest format that can be part of these events if that’s what’s selected.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:09:05] Yeah, the song, the songwriting is kind of like the icing on the cake as far as I’m concerned, because I’m a songwriter and I love the creation of Where does it come from? Why am I writing this song? Why do I need to write this song? I am a songwriter at heart. I love it. So what I do is the whole objective is to get people to share the client. And that could be they could have one main objective and that’s a mission. And we can write a song with that mission in the title or whatever, and that can be our title. But what? Rather than to get drawn into corporate buzzwords that are flying around a lot of these, we try to get to paint a picture. So I’ll go out through the room and I’ll ask people simple questions where they’re from, get to know them a little bit, pull them up on stage and go, All right, I like that word there, that word. You just come up with excitement and family. So we’re starting there. That’s the first words. And I’ll get people to then to sing those words have have a go at improvising those words. And over a period of 20 minutes, we have got usually with the live band on stage, we would compose at least a verse and a chorus. Wow, that makes sense. And then again, it’s about interactivity, welcoming as many musicians or wannabe musicians on stage. I’ll ask at that point. We’ve written the song and the band are jamming on the song. I’ll go, Who in this room wants to get up and take a piano solo? Who can play piano? Who in this room can play an instrument? And we’ll take it way down and we’ll welcome them back up again. It’s about that participation within the band. You’re part of the band where the gigs happening and you’re part of the gig, essentially. Wow.

Mindy Peterson: [00:10:42] Well, and songwriting is such a powerful way for people to come together, like you said, to interact. It’s, I’m sure, a very bonding experience just working through that challenge together.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:10:55] Well, yeah, Look, we tend to make it fun and lighthearted, but you know, the song, if you talk to a music therapist, songwriting is I’ve talked to quite a few in the last few years because I’ve really just got into the idea of the therapy of music and how the healing power of music on the body, physical healing the body by resignation. I love the that whole concept, the Buddhists with their arms and and I’ve really got into that. But I’ve been singing all my life with deep breath so I can understand that power of, you know, what it feels like when you’re at top of your lungs belting it out and air in the lungs are completely full and that there’s much beautiful feeling in that. And I want to share that with people and what we’re doing at these workshops as well. I just want people to to realize that, you know, singing, humming, breathing is good for you.

Mindy Peterson: [00:11:46] Well, and I think you incorporate that into the well being breaks that can be a part of these events. Tell us a little bit about those wellbeing breaks.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:11:56] Yeah, look, Rock and Roll Team Building is what we just spoke about. Well, the wellbeing side of our business is called Vibrate Your Mind. And we work with music therapists and we’ve worked with neuroscientists and we’ve worked with people who have written books on the brain with music. So we’ve learnt a lot in the last couple of years about literally let’s get into a room with people with high end speakers, get a sound bath happening and get people on their backs experiencing what it’s like to have these long, beautiful tones just vibrate the body. But essentially on a most simplistic term, it’s back to the breath and the hum where we can do it ourselves. So it’s about education as to in the room just we have we’re working with a beautiful facilitator in Australia called Nadav Kahn. Nadav is 20 years experience and breath and and leading meditations and he’s also a songwriter, He’s an amazing singer and just one of those beautiful souls that has dedicated his life to lifting vibrations. That’s what it’s all about, Good Vibrations. So, so we’ve got this team and that’s where we’re at now with our business kind of sits between in the wellness space with events where we’re bringing people together and they’re getting on a mat at 7:00 AM. They might have a yoga session and then it’s a bit of maybe over a 45 minute we’re doing a sound bath and then, you know, you might break for lunch in the day. There might be business content in the day, but that evening we have after dinner performance, which might go into a bit of interactivity, doesn’t have to be the full 90 minute workshop. It could be could be as much as the next half hour as. Rock and roll karaoke and you guys are getting up to sing. We have to nominate John to get up and sing Mustang Sally or Sweet Home, Alabama, whatever, Whatever.

Mindy Peterson: [00:13:44] It’s funny you mentioned Mustang Sally. That song came up actually in a board meeting that I was in today.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:13:50] Yeah, well, look, do not underestimate the power of the happy, cheesy sing along song. I do not underestimate the power of it because it can fill the dance floor. As an entertainer, you’re always going, okay, if I got my audience or if I lost them. So you’re like going, It’s time to let them have a dance. So you stick on Mustang Sally or Sweet Home, Alabama or Eyed Girl, but Van Morrison and you’ve got them back on the floor.

Mindy Peterson: [00:14:14] Well, that sounds like a corporate event where instead of leaving each day just feeling like your head is going to explode and you’re completely exhausted, it sounds like there’s some homeostasis that could be incorporated into that event where you just feel like, Oh, I’m not all out of balance. By the time I walk out of this thing at the end of the day.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:14:37] Yeah, well.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:14:37] Look, I think we’re vibrant. Your mind that business. I think the small groups of executive teams just getting away, maybe even with their partners to have a nice break. And, you know, we’re over a couple of days just we’re having a nice hang, but we’re talking about the breadth and how we can use this in our daily life. We’re sharing experiences, experience, but we’re also sharing takeaways that they can do in their daily life to help. The whole point of this is to lower stress, get a hold of anxiety. That type of, you know, it’s helping people, you know, And I didn’t realize the power of music and the healing power of music in the therapeutic until really recently when I started meeting people like Nadav Kahn and Barbara Jackson, the sound healer. And then you start to read these books and you go, hang on a second. There’s a lot of science, a lot of science behind all of this and frequencies and specific frequencies and resignation. I always in my image, I look at semiotics where you put the speaker in and you you drop the sound on a sound palette and you turn the certain frequencies and everything just and then you do it with water. And that’s what’s really interesting because the human body is 80% water. But if you if you just put the water on the sound frequency semiotics, people can go and look at the loads of videos on YouTube. Certain frequencies will make the water dance into certain geometric pattern. So all of that stuff fascinates me considering 80% water, you know.

Mindy Peterson: [00:16:05] Yeah, it sounds like we need to have another episode sometime. Just the vibrate your mind piece of things, because it sounds like that could be a whole episode in and of itself. But if we talk about the Rock and Roll Team Building, you guys have the song contest, you have song writing. I believe sometimes when teams create a song, they will then produce videos. Each team will produce a video like a song, the music video.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:16:33] With the videos. It’s fun because that started in COVID because teams couldn’t get together. So I would write a song with the team online all over the world. We had a we had a Eurovision Song Contest style competition with teams from all over the world, and they wrote 11 songs for a tech company and 11 different groups across the planet. And then in Australia we broadcast live and everybody zoned in. I emcee the event with a live band on stage all during COVID. And we we played each video that they made, which they were amazing videos They all don’t sing Lockdown and and then we did a 30 minute competition with the with the CEOs and then at the end of it just to have a bit of a chat. So so it was a it was an escapade that happened during the COVID era. So I think if we can pull that off all virtually, then we can pull it off. When we’ve got people in the room. It’s a lot easier when you get everybody in a room, sir.

Mindy Peterson: [00:17:28] Well, let’s talk about where you do work. You do live work in USA, Australia and New Zealand in virtually anywhere.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:17:37] Yes, virtually anywhere. And in fact, we’ve just did a gig and we have an Australian musician who’s wonderful. I’ve worked with and a great songwriter, Greg Eggar hit songwriter living in London and I’ve worked with him in rock and roll team in Australia. So he’s been doing gigs in London for us. We have a team in San Francisco, the Bay Area of California. We’ve been going there for five, six years and we have a really great bunch of musicians on the team and production team on the ground in Vegas, team in the ground in Chicago and now Florida. So it’s we’ve been you know, we’ve been five years planning the business covid’s COVID knocked us on our back and we just recently picked up the pieces again in America. And thankfully, we’re now working back in America again. And yeah, it’s wonderful. It’s wonderful. After the two or three years that the events industry is had, it’s just so good to be gigging and.

Mindy Peterson: [00:18:31] Yeah.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:18:32] Yeah, being in the room of people and I think, you know. Genuinely what a friend of mine said to me the other day. People have missed music. People have missed live music. So to have a live band in a room and just getting the party going and having a bit of fun. Yeah, fun is fun is very underrated.

Mindy Peterson: [00:18:48] Yes. Do you have a favorite story from one of the sessions that you’ve done that sort of exemplifies how fun or memorable or impactful the sessions are?

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:18:59] Oh, look, there’s there’s so many. I look for all of these little gifts in the performances, but I love it when I see people. And this has happened many times where we’re creating a song and I’ve got three or four volunteers on stage and I’ll maybe have a go. I’ve got four lyrics in front of us and it’s two lines or whatever. And then the band are jamming on a on a blues lick or a country themed, and we’re trying different themes with these lyrics and I’m having a busk and pulling stuff, melodies out of the air to sing to these lyrics. And then the next guy is up and next girl is up, and those moments are hilarious. But then you get if you’re doing like stuff. We did one in Chicago in front of 3000 people, which had a ballad vibe, and I just by pure chance, happened to pull this lady out of the front row who sang in a gospel choir. I had no idea. She she’s singing a gospel choir, but we were doing this ballad Groovy, chilled back, lovely band. We’re just sitting on this groove for 10 minutes straight. We had five or six improvised and I improvised, and she stood up and sang basically in front of everyone. And you just heard the two and a half thousand people, sharp intake of breath.

Mindy Peterson: [00:20:07] Going.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:20:08] Because she sang, she sang the best out of us all. She floored all of the musicians and she floored every including myself, all the singers, and she floored the audience. So that was probably, you know, that’s the golden moment. But that just happened just before COVID. So we had we went from that to like we were in that, you know, messing with the big companies and working with them and running CEOs, leadership conferences and creating music and production and pulling in the teams to virtual events. So we’ve survived, thankfully, and that’s the main thing. And we’re back in America. We’re working. I was in Las Vegas at IMAX, the biggest events industry event, get together in the planet and it was fantastic. It was like it was joyful just to see people meet from all over the world and events industry and and then just to be on stage singing. You know, I did gigs in San Francisco recently and but most of my work is in Australia at the minute where I live. I live in Wollongong, a two hour south of Sydney.

Mindy Peterson: [00:21:10] Okay.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:21:10] So that’s that’s home on a family and beach here. So most of my work is Sydney would be our home. But we, we’ve focused over the last sort of seven years to get, you know, it’s all about that team again of musicians and pulling together a wonderful group of musicians in Melbourne who can do it and Brisbane. And if I need to fly in, I fly in and it keeps the cost down.

Mindy Peterson: [00:21:34] Uh huh. Well, when it comes to team building, why music? Why is music so especially effective when it comes to team building?

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:21:45] Well, there’s the old saying that music is the universal language and you know, I could write more. I won’t try and remember them all. But there’s many quotes from from Nikola Tesla to Einstein talking about to Bob Marley about the power and the wisdom in it. And Plato said he would teach music to kids before anything else. I teach them music, maths and philosophy, but most importantly, most of all music. So there’s something in it. There’s something in the fact that you’re training the body if you’re a musician, to plug into something, it comes from a different place. It’s it’s got it’s own. It’s almost like there’s a river there and we’re trying to dip or to into it. And then you might, if you’re lucky, sometimes you jump all in. So that’s what it’s like for for a lot of musicians, it’s more like a vocation than it is a job. So you’ve got to do it. And then and then the PA of just everybody understands the PA of just four on the floor and a bass drum. Doo doo doo doo doo doo. And then you and whatever the beat comes in or after that, be it jazz or be it electronic or be it a soaring vocal and there’s there’s PAs in it all. And I don’t understand after being I’m 46 years of age, I still don’t understand fully where that power comes from but. For me. When I’m standing on stage singing, I’m in a very good place and I’m it’s almost like prayer or meditation and that sort of spot. I’m not saying I get there every gig. There are gigs. I’m like grinding at it, but there’s always a moment in every gig where I’m let go and I feel very, very lucky to be singing and seeing, seeing someone in the room being affected by it. That’s a, that’s the icing on the cake.

Mindy Peterson: [00:23:28] Aha. Well, when I think about that question, I could music really can be the great equalizer and it can be the great connector. It’s a social glue. But the other thing that really continually blows my mind is how you can put a bunch of people in a room who have so many differences. And here in the US right now with our politics, everybody is all about focusing on the differences. And yet you can put these people in a room and put the focus on music and start playing music and suddenly all of those differences just drop away and people just transcend and rise above those differences. And there’s a unity, you know, they can they’re all having fun together. They’re all bonding together through music. They’re all working on a shared challenge together, you know? I mean, it just music for some reason has that ability to.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:24:27] Oh, it’s an instant mood changer. So if I’m sitting flat driving along in the car with no radio on, I’m driving along and just listening to the tyres on the road and I’ll sit there for hours on end with no music on. But I will do as I’ll breathe and I’ll hum. But then when you turn on the radio I’ll flick through and then eventually a song will just catch me and I’m going from I’m going from just listening to those road noises, maybe doing vocal warm ups, listening, just doing long o or whatever I’m doing as I’m driving along. And then the song comes on and it just takes me to one triggers the memory where I heard it from, or even if I haven’t heard it before, it takes me to somewhere, Oh, I like the vibe on this one. So it’s just instantly it’s like I’m attracted to the straightaway. So. So that’s the instant part of music. And then you get drawn in and then you hear what the lyrics around and the lyric then hits home on a different level because they’re singing about something that resonates deep within you. It triggers an emotion, it triggers a memory, it reminds you of that first kiss, the first dance, the wedding, the funeral, whatever it takes you to that place. You can almost be there. So it trance, it’s transportive to the mind. So therefore, it’s a good it’s an antidepressant. A natural antidepressant.

Mindy Peterson: [00:25:44] Um hum. Well, in thinking of that team building concept too, and just that space music really can engage that that team spirit. When you think about sporting events or like a school song or things like that, you know, some kind of a shared rallying cry. Yeah, music is perfect for that.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:26:05] Yeah, well, look, we all crave to be to belong to something. So whether it’s the Man United Football Club or who’s your local team, the Minneapolis football team, The Vikings. The Vikings. Well, well, then you get a bunch of Vikings standing in a pub and they’re not even wearing the Vikings gear. But it’s a Wednesday night and someone puts on a song that the Vikings sing or they’re heard at the you’re going to get four or five guys who haven’t even had their first beers yet. Look at each other and sing the chorus.

Mindy Peterson: [00:26:37] Sure.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:26:38] You know, because it is it’s a massive way to unify people. And for for centuries, for millennia, we’ve all been standing with our faces up to the sun and the moon singing because it’s part of our it’s part of what we need to do. And it’s better when we’re doing it together. And I’m all about the unification. We have enough divide that enough to divide us. And music is a great healer, a great community. If you want to bring people together, it’s just just to have a jam. If you’ve never played a drum kit before with a live band, get on the drum kit and have a jam to see what that feels like. Bitch beat the crap out of a drum kit.

Mindy Peterson: [00:27:16] Well, one of the quotes from your website that I liked that kind of sums up a bit. What you do is it says We entwine your event theme audience and a bunch of real rock stars into a melting pot of interactivity, laughter, creativity and positive results. Really like that. Well, look, go ahead.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:27:37] Well, I want to say this. This is all about putting talented musicians who have done the 10000 hours, have done all of the gigs that can read a room. And that’s the most important. That’s the thing about that you can only do. You can only get with experience. So whatever is in no matter what the number is, our objective is, is then to build what we need around your number and you might give us some objectives for your gig. We will try and factor that into. Everything we’re doing. But the main objective is to create this environment where the person sitting beside you feels comfortable to speak, to sing, so that everyone is letting the guard done. On just being a little bit of truth authentic, and they might get the odd extrovert showing off. But the beautiful moments is where the where you get the introvert standing up. And like I said, and I’ve thought so many times, you just hear them sing and you hear the gasp in the room. Everyone’s like, Wow, this is wow. And then their hands are above their head, applauding Mindy for singing whatever she was singing, whatever you were singing.

Mindy Peterson: [00:28:43] Mindy Mustang Sally.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:28:46] Exactly. Everyone was in tears at Mindy singing Mustang Sally.

Mindy Peterson: [00:28:52] Well, we will include tons of links in the show notes where people can learn more about Rock and Roll Team Building. Just tell us verbally, though, to listeners, what your website is. And of course, that will be in the show notes too. But what is it?

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:29:05] Yeah, my name is Ciaran Gribben. Our website is Rock and Roll Team Building dot com vibrate your mind dot com.

Mindy Peterson: [00:29:13] Okay, wonderful. Well, this has been so fun. And this definitely is the kind of corporate event that I would want to be a part of. Kiran.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:29:23] Guess maybe. Maybe I should come to Minneapolis.

Mindy Peterson: [00:29:25] Oh, you need to for sure. Yeah. So let me know when you’re here next.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:29:29] I’ve been there many times. I’m well, I’m a common person, and we will organize some choir in a park of your choice, and we will invite everybody we know.

Mindy Peterson: [00:29:38] That sounds phenomenal. I would love that. Well, I ask all my guests to close out our conversation with a musical ending a coda by sharing a song or story about a moment that music enhanced your life. I’m sure there are a plethora of these examples that you could give us, but tell us what song or story you’re going to share with us today. In closing.

Ciaran Gribbin: [00:30:02] I’m going to do a song from an excess, a band that completely changed my life and my family’s life. In 2011, I got the gig singing for INXS. I was living in Northern Ireland and I moved my family. My wife just gave birth. We had we moved to Australia with a two month old child. Wow. And I got the gig. Well, I’m going to sing this song because I got the gig with INXS because a few months earlier than my wife gave pregnant. I was in Australia touring maybe a year earlier and I met Andrew Farriss, the keyboard player, the songwriter who wrote all those hits. And I spent three days with him. After the third day or after every night we were singing songs and we had an audience on the third night and someone said Singing INXS. So I sang this song. Never sang it before. They had to print the lyrics and and it’s called Mystify. And this is the reason why I got the gig with INXS this song. So imagine yourself on a balcony at 3:00 in the morning with a lot of drunk people.

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