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February 23, 2021
The development of social emotional learning (SEL) skills is embedded and inherent in musical training. And yet there are many ways we as educators and parents can streamline this process through being intentional in how we integrate SEL and music. A global pandemic has made this integration exponentially vital, and has increased our awareness of social and emotional needs – and how they can affect other areas of our lives, whether we’re talking about mental health, immune function, or academic grades and performance. We discuss reasons music teachers are in a prime position to build students’ social and emotional skills; resources for parents and educators; and an exciting new venture that will launch in March 2021!

Guest
We’ve talked quite a bit about social emotional learning (SEL) on this show. In a recent episode about genius and music’s relationship to genius, Dr. Craig Wright pointed out the benefits of cross-training in the arts and sciences, and then combining things and connecting the dots.
My guest today is a leader in connecting the dots between SEL and music. Dr. Scott Edgar is the author of Music Education and Social Emotional Learning: The Heart of Teaching Music. He teaches graduate courses on the topic and is an internationally sought-after clinician. Dr. Edgar is currently Associate Professor of Music, Music Education Chair, and Director of Bands at Lake Forest College in IL.
Notes
- Scott explains how he came to focus on and specialize in SEL and music.
- We discuss reasons music teachers are in a prime position to build students’ social and emotional skills; resources for parents and educators; and an exciting new venture that will launch in March 2021!
Connect/Other Resources
- Scott’s Lake Forest College profile page: https://www.lakeforest.edu/academics/faculty/edgar/
- Scott’s books:
- Music Education and Social Emotional Learning: The Heart of Teaching Music (2017). This pioneering book addresses how music educators can utilize SEL to maximize learning in the choral, instrumental, and general music classroom at all levels, and at the same time support a student’s social and emotional growth.
- Music Education and Social Emotional Learning, Student Workbook (2018)
- The ABCs of My Feelings and Music (2021) is one of the first resources to connect SEL and music to elementary students. Edgar co-wrote the book with Stephanie Edgar, his wife and Coordinator of the Center for Academic Success at the College.
- A fourth book, edited by Scott, will release summer 2021. It is a collection of essays, each written by a different superstar SEL educator. The working title is Portraits of Social Emotional Learning and Music Education: Teaching Music with Heart. Download the table of contents and introduction for FREE!
- Scott’s books on GIA Publications’ website
- Video Podcast Series: Scott hosts an internationally syndicated video podcast series, “Teaching Social Emotional Learning Through Music,” created by the Music for All. It is now available as a traditional podcast as well.
- The Center for Arts Education and Social Emotional Learning is an exciting new venture that will launch March 2021 (with Scott as Director)!
- Scott created a Facebook page highlighting the intersection between music education and SEL. The page has close to 3,000 followers – I became one of them as soon as I found out about it!
- We reference Ep. 82: What is the relationship between musicianship, mental disorders, and genius? What is the difference between prodigy and genius? With Dr. Craig Wright
- Check out these episodes for more info on SEL:
- The second annual International SEL Day is March 26, 2021
In-Episode Promo
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Coda
Scott shares a memorable moment of experiencing SEL learning through music when he was in high school!
Closing Words
Thanks so much to Scott for joining us today, and for all he does to enhance lives with music through all of his many projects, including his teaching, podcasting, and writing. Speaking of writing: his new book, Portraits of Music Education and Social Emotional Learning: Teaching Music with Heart, will be available soon. But you can download the book’s Table of Contents and Introduction free on the publisher’s website. Scott mentioned International SEL Day, which I didn’t know was a thing. But it is: The second annual International SEL Day is March 26, 2021. And that’s your fun fact for the day! I would love to hear how you connect the dots between music and social emotional learning! Let me know on email, social media, or my website; all links are in today’s show notes at mpetersonmusic.com/podcast/episode83. Thank you so much for joining me today. Until next week, may your life be enhanced with music.
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7 responses to “Ep. 83: Connecting the dots between SEL and music, with Scott Edgar, PhD”
[…] Ep. 83: Connecting the dots between SEL and music, with Scott Edgar, PhD […]
Trying to catch up on listening to the podcasts—-really loved this #83, Scott’s enthusiasm and ability to articulate all things true about SEL was over the top great—extremely interesting. Also enjoyed your personal interaction with him in style and tone plus your own understanding and applications for this subject. This podcast reminded me of how fortunate the music students of Mindy Peterson are—no bias on my part involved, 🙂 You are the epitome of SEL being lived out through the years.
Haha, thanks Dad! I agree that Scott is over-the-top great — love the work he’s doing.
I don’t think you included this link that Dr. Edgar shared Artsedsel.org
Thanks, Deanna! It’s included as a hyperlink from The Center for Arts Education and Social Emotional Learning; but nice to have the raw link here, too; thanks!
It was such an honor to be a guest on this series. Mindy is the perfect example of teaching with heart! Please be in touch if I can be of any help! edgar@lakeforest.edu.
Thanks, Scott. It was so fun to chat about some shared passions. Thanks for all you do to enhance lives with music!